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Registration Paperwork
I'm beginning to see "the light at the end of the tunnel" on my 750, so I got the EAA packet to guide me through the registration/inspection process.
I bought a partially assembled kit (basically the HT and about 75% of the wings were assembled) from the original builder. He built with a series of sub-assembly kits and eventually purchased all the kits to complete the airplane, but they were not all bought at one time. I've got a builder's log, photos, etc. to document his participation. We executed a bill-of-sale stating exactly what I was receiving - listing the serial number of the plans, the assembled components and all the unassembled sub-kits. I've also got most if not all of the invoices, receipts, etc. I also contacted Zenith and transferred the serial number of the kit to me.
The EAA booklet states that if you buy a kit airplane from another builder, you also need a bill of sale (preferably FAA 8050-2) from the manufacturer to the original owner. In the booklet, the sample FAA form has suggested wording regarding the "sell, transfer" of "such aircraft." Reading between the lines, this seems to imply the purchase of an entire kit/airframe/airplane at one time. The EAA booklet specifically states a plans-built plane does not require a bill of sale as there is no "manufacturer" that the builder purchased any kit from. Does the FAA look at building from sub-kits similar to plans-built???
Just wondering what others have done with registration who built from a series of kits that is acceptable to the FAA? I may be totally wrong, but I don't think Zenith issues a "bill of sale" for every single sub-kit, do they? They certainly didn't issue me any for any optional kits I've purchased. Do you just need one bill of sale, say for the initial rudder kit or plans? Or, can Zenith "create" one for the whole plane? Or is this essentially the same as the plans-built situation? I'm calling the EAA and Zenith on Monday, but I just wanted to see what process sub-kit builders followed that was actually successful.
Thanks,
John
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Permalink Reply by JEFF COCHRAN on
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John,
I bought the whole kit so this might not be much help. I had to request a bill of sale from Zenith and they sent one. If you have all of the kits, they should still be able to issue a bill of sale to the purchaser. I would think building from sub kits would not be the same as plans built. Zenith does the same per cent of the work no matter if you get all of the kits at one time or individually. I posted the % worksheet a while back, but the search never seems to find it, so here it is if you need it.
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/kits/nket_l
ist/media/STOL_CH750.pdfJeff
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Permalink Reply by John Austin on
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Well, here's what EAA said this a.m.:
The tech counselor said it is fairly standard for kit companies to issue a FAA 8050-2/Bill of Sale on request if the builder purchased a series of sub-kits rather than the entire airframe kit at one time. I called Joyce at Zenith and she was very familiar with the request. She's going to contact the original builder, and with his permission, send me the Bill of Sale she creates.
The EAA counselor also strongly recommended that I "re-do" my bill of sale between the original builder and me and use the FAA form 8050-2 for that, too. I had a homemade bill of sale, but it only used the word "sell" and not the entire phrase "sell, grant, transfer and deliver" etc. that the FAA form uses. The original builder and I stay in touch and is very willing to execute any paperwork to help me out.
John
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Permalink Reply by Tim Treat on
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I just completed my registration a couple of weeks ago and I had the exact same scenario. You should get a FAA bill of sale from the previous owner. Do not put your N number on the bill of sale and cross out "Aircraft" Bill of Sale and hand write "kit".
Mine bounced back from the FAA to write in the word kit.
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Joyce contacted the original builder today and the Bill of Sale is on its way to me! Great customer service from Zenith.
The EAA certification guide is very good - it emphasizes to cross out "Aircraft" and write-in "Kit" on the Bill of Sale. (Guess it would be too difficult for someone at FAA to do that for you! LOL!)
By the way, Tim - the EAA guide's example form left the "amount of consideration" (selling price) blank - I didn't know if that was recommended or just left blank because it was an example. Was your sales price stated on your form?
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I bought a second hand quick build kit and I think I listed the price on the bill of sale.
BTW - I emailed the FAA today regarding my name backwards and learned that they do it on purpose to allow for an easier search by last name. I am good to go...
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When I submitted the paperwork, one concern was that when Zenith issued a bill of sale to the original kit purchaser, they "helpfully" named him as the "manufacturer" on the bill of sale. I talked to EAA about this and they said that of course, I ultmately would actually be (and want to be!) the builder of record since I did 90% of the work! Quite frankly, the EAA counselor was stumped ... he suggested just leaving the "manufacturer" blank on the bill of sale between the original builder and me, and thereafter list myself on all documents as the builder. He even wanted me to call him back and tell him what happened! Apparently, it worked, the registration went through on the first pass! Unbelievable! She's now "N750A" !!!
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