Have ordered an IO233 for $23K due in 60 days. Is anyone out there also going with this engine? Would like to share in the design of this installation.
Do you know how much heavier than the 0-200 it will be (installed weight)? Have they actually delivered any engines yet? Is it experimental or certified? Did they drop the fuel injections and go with carburetor? Are they calling it 115hp? At what rpm does it make 115hp?
I like Lycoming's way of doing things better than Continental's. However, like others, I'd be interested to know how much weight they actually managed to reduce. It's too late to change now, but weight was the reason I went with an O-200 instead of Lycoming.
Lucky you Paul, The installation should be similar with the exception of injection. Is your engine complete with exhaust manifold, oil cooler muffler and etc. What cowling?, prop?
I have selected the IO-233 as well. I understand it uses a dynafocal mount which I purchased from Zenith along with the cowl. I also am sending my R wing tank back to Zenith to install a fuel return plumb point in the top of the tank. I have a lot of hours behind Lycoming and feel it will be a very reliable engine option.
I understand the dry weight is 197lbs. which is a bit heavier than Jabiru (182 lbs)
I dont have an exhaust or oil cooler. i plan on a remote cooler and will more than likly build my own exhaust (4 into 2 without a muffler) unless something turns up. I have an alt. from a GEO STORM that I've made a mount and bracket for, and a light wt. starter. I'll be building my own mount also (strat not dynafocal)
That's me. Wings are done and painted when I decided on the IO-233. I,m not wanting to cut into my wing where the tank return that I pluged is located. But here is my theory. The return flow is always going to be less than the flow from the tank obviously since it cant pump more out than is commimg in. The return head pressure at the pump would be sleightly greater than the the fuel supply pressure at the pump since the head of the return at the tank is slightly above the gas level in the tank. So why not connect the pump return into the supply line just before the gas colator instead of running a separate line to the tank? The flow from the tank would be decreased by the amount of the pump return and the supply line pressure may increase some minor amount which would be benificial. I would appreciate comments on this theory.
I belive that is a safeer and simplier wat to return fuel, hopefully you have valves to each tank. If you return fuel only to one tank there is a possibility of overfilling that tank in flight. The plane I have now tends to use fuel from the left tant more then the right and at fifst I was dumping fuel in flight. Now I run the right tank to about half then switch to both, I beleve this is due to a higher vent presure in the left tank. Also since I prefer not to use airports my plane is sometimes parked on uneven ground, if you can"t keep the fuel from going down hill one tank may overflow. Fuel lines and systems need to be safe and simple. good luck
Paul good though. I had a Cessna310 that when you would pump from the aux tanks the excess would return to the mains. You couldn't use the aux tanks untill the mains were used some. Not my problem with this plane.Both tanks are connected together with one fuel valve. This system has plusses ans mines.
Juan Vega
Dec 2, 2010
Juan Vega
Juan
Dec 2, 2010
Ken Ryan
Dec 2, 2010
Jim Belcher
Dec 8, 2010
Ron Belknap
Dec 8, 2010
Paul Bonasera
I'm going with an 0-235 just because I have one
Dec 12, 2010
Ron Belknap
Lucky you Paul, The installation should be similar with the exception of injection. Is your engine complete with exhaust manifold, oil cooler muffler and etc. What cowling?, prop?
Dec 13, 2010
Thomas Palmer
Ron,
I have selected the IO-233 as well. I understand it uses a dynafocal mount which I purchased from Zenith along with the cowl. I also am sending my R wing tank back to Zenith to install a fuel return plumb point in the top of the tank. I have a lot of hours behind Lycoming and feel it will be a very reliable engine option.
I understand the dry weight is 197lbs. which is a bit heavier than Jabiru (182 lbs)
Tom Palmer
Dec 13, 2010
Paul Bonasera
I dont have an exhaust or oil cooler. i plan on a remote cooler and will more than likly build my own exhaust (4 into 2 without a muffler) unless something turns up. I have an alt. from a GEO STORM that I've made a mount and bracket for, and a light wt. starter. I'll be building my own mount also (strat not dynafocal)
Dec 13, 2010
Mike Ethridge
IO233 price sheet format is little messed up from cut/paste.
Roller Tappet System (most Models) No Charge
Automatic Upgrades Crankshaft Dynamic Balancing No Charge
Precision Static Balancing (Pistons and rods to ½ gram) No Charge
Port and Polish/ Volumetric Cylinder Matching No Charge
Oil System Christen Inverted Oil System (minus hoses) $1,000
Sky Tec L/W Inline Starter $ 475
Starter Sky Tec L/W High Torque $ 475
Airflow Performance Injection No Charge
Fuel Injection Systems Precision Silver Hawk Injection No Charge
Slick (1 L-Imp 1 R- STD) No Charge
Retard Mag (ea) substitute for Impulse Mag No Charge
Ignition 2nd Impulse Mag (ea) instead of Plain $ 380 Delete one side of ignition system $ - 300
Delete entire ignition system $ - 600
Thunderbolt Show Gray No Charge
Engine Color Gloss Black No Charge
Two-Tone Show Gray/Gloss Black $ 200
Custom Color (most colors) $ 200
Two-Tone custom colors (most colors) $ 400
Rocker Box Covers $ 425
Chrome (4 Cylinder) Intake Pipes $ 355
Push Rod Tubes $ 535
Full Chrome Kit (includes all above) $ 1,100
Rocker Box Covers $ 687
Chrome (6 Cylinder) Intake Pipes $ 483
Push Rod Tubes $ 800
Full Chrome Kit (includes all above) $ 1,800
Thunderbolt Engines 2010 Price Sheet
O-233
$21,500
IO-233
$23,000
O-235-L2C
$23,000
O-235-N2C
$23,000
IO-235-N2C
$25,000
AEIO-235-EXP
$26,000
O-320-A2B
$23,400
O-320-B2B
$23,440
O-320-D1A
$23,900
O-320-D2A
$23,800
O-320-D2G
$23,600
IO-320-B1A
$25,700
IO-320-D1A
$24,300
O-360-A1A
$24,200
O-360-A3A
$25,100
O-360-A4M
$23,800
IO-360-M1A
$26,000
IO-360-M1B
$26,000
IO-360-A1B6
$36,300
IO-360-C1C
$32,500
IO-390-EXP
$33,600
IO-390-EXP (10:1)
$35,660
O-540-A4D5
$38,100
IO-540-C4B5
$41,400
IO-540-D4A5
$41,400
IO-540-K1H5
$47,800
IO-540-K1K5
$50,000
IO-580-B1A
$59,300
IO-580-B1A (10:1)
$62,390
AEIO-580-B1A
$61,300
AEIO-580-B1A (10:1)
$68,900
Dec 17, 2010
Jeff Webb
What if you've already built your wings? How can you run the return line for a Fuel Injection? Just curious if anyone has done this.
Dec 19, 2010
Ron Belknap
That's me. Wings are done and painted when I decided on the IO-233. I,m not wanting to cut into my wing where the tank return that I pluged is located. But here is my theory. The return flow is always going to be less than the flow from the tank obviously since it cant pump more out than is commimg in. The return head pressure at the pump would be sleightly greater than the the fuel supply pressure at the pump since the head of the return at the tank is slightly above the gas level in the tank. So why not connect the pump return into the supply line just before the gas colator instead of running a separate line to the tank? The flow from the tank would be decreased by the amount of the pump return and the supply line pressure may increase some minor amount which would be benificial. I would appreciate comments on this theory.
Dec 20, 2010
Paul Bonasera
I belive that is a safeer and simplier wat to return fuel, hopefully you have valves to each tank. If you return fuel only to one tank there is a possibility of overfilling that tank in flight. The plane I have now tends to use fuel from the left tant more then the right and at fifst I was dumping fuel in flight. Now I run the right tank to about half then switch to both, I beleve this is due to a higher vent presure in the left tank. Also since I prefer not to use airports my plane is sometimes parked on uneven ground, if you can"t keep the fuel from going down hill one tank may overflow. Fuel lines and systems need to be safe and simple. good luck
Dec 21, 2010
Ron Belknap
Dec 21, 2010
Bruce Woodry
Ron
We have a CH 750m do you know if there is a firewall forward kit for it?
Bruce
Jan 1, 2011