Wings Before Fuselage or the Other Way Around?

I am only at home with my kits at the weekend so like to idle away some time thinking about engines, paint, instruments, all things that seem light years away. But today I got to thinking about what kit to build after I am done with the tail: the wings or the fuselage?

The wings are a more expensive purchase, especially with the fuel tanks and I think I want the nav etc lights option. I see that can be done as a retrofit but if I know I want it, seems to make sense to do it during construction? 

I'm building in my garage and I wonder if there is enough space between my table and the ceiling to build the fuselage though I see some people do these kits on sawhorses rather than benches perhaps making it lower?

Having the fuselage done would be a major excitement, start to see a plane taking shape, but storing it is going to be a hassle whereas the wings can go on a wall or in a bedroom if needs be. Having the wings done would surely be a milestone but it's one more curved surface with all the others. Then again.... having the fuselage done and not be ready to attach everything to it could be a bummer.

Well, just some idle rambling stuck here at work wishing I was home deburring my flaperons. But I'd be interested to know what other people chose, and why.

  • Robert Crawford

    Well Paul, I'm scratch building a 701 and I started with the rudder, then the stabilizer and then the elevator. I have both wing skeletons done and I have the top skin clecoed on one wing. I did buy the fuel system kit from Zenith so I won't have to wait on that. I have a pretty good size shop but of course it's full of other things besides airplane stuff. My main purpose in building the wings before the fuselage is simple, space. Even though I have 12 celings in my shop, I have two celing fans and a garage door that would be in the way and the fuselage would block some of the over head light. I could store a fuselage under the lean too beside my shop but it's full too. I may be doing it backwards but since I'm scratch building I figure I can make everything fit.

    Bob

  • Randy Owen

    Hi Paul,

    Like Bob I did the tail pieces first, then the wings, then the fuselage, simply because it's easier to store the smaller pieces. Once the fuselage is built, it takes up a lot of room. Either way works; you either build the fuselage to match the wing spars, or space the wing spars to match the fuselage (on a 701, anyway), depending on which you built first. I'm not sure if it works the same way on other models, though. I built a "wing sling" and stored the wings on it, then when the back half of the fuselage was done, I stored it on top of the wing sling while I built the front half (see attached photo)

    Randy

  • Mike Daniels

    As you know Paul I have the Rudder, HS and Elevator finished. I'm shooting for the fuselage next. For me it makes the least sense space wise, however having it around will be inspirational and give me more to tinker with/think about while waiting on wing kits. Panel, rigging,... Plus I can sit in it and make airplane noises...

    Mike
  • Paul Sanders

    Hey Mike, glad to hear you are still in the build and yeah I think the idea of being able to sit in it and make noises would be cool. But if I do the wings first I might strap them to my arms and flap them about like a bird :)

    Thanks for your comments Randy and Robert.

  • Michael Herder

    It's nice to sit in the plane and make noises.  Good motivation.  I think the fuselage is probably a little more difficult, but not enough to steer you one way or the other.  When you have a big fuselage sitting in your garage it's easier to keep motivated so that you can regain your space.  My wife wanted it out, so it was a little nudge to keep on pulling rivets. 

  • Mike Daniels

    Yeah I'm still in. Should have enough cash to order Fuselage by end of the month. Hopefully I will have it by the time I get home from my LSA Repairman class in March.
  • Mason Bullard

    Like most, I did the tail feathers 1st, then I did the wings for the storage situation. I ended up keeping all my finished parts in the house, ( my shop is not dirt dobber proof or bird proof). I hung my wings form the ceiling, and just leaned everything else up against the wall in one of the boy's bedroom,(they are grown and flew the coop), moma don't like it to much, but she's gettin used to it. With the parts in the house she helps keep me motivated to hurry up an finish the rest of it so I can move (all that junk) out of her house.

  • Larry Ward

    I finished tail kit before Christmas. Ordered fuselage kit last week for a February 15th delivery. Ordered fuselage for same reason as many others have commented--I wanted to start building something that would look like an airplane and I could sit in. All I have ever flown is military jets so I'm not sure about making engine noises though. Good luck on your build.
  • Tom Anderson

    Building wings first as they can be finished in my basement shop. I will need to move up to garage for fuselage and it is too cold to do that now.
  • Don Walker

    Hi Paul; I'm building a 601XL and just finishing the horizontal stabilizer (rudder is done). I have the fuselage kit in my shop and will attack it next. Like others have noted, I want something to sit in with my headset on making airplane noises, but would also like to 'finish' the tail surfaces and that needs a fuselage to hang them on. My other garage (where my wife's car lives), has a 15' ceiling, so the fueslage will be hanging there while I work on the wings. Happy Building!!

     

  • Paul Bonasera

    I went with the fuselage before the wings mainly due to the fact that I am scratch building an dont have access to a long enough brake to do the wings or horizontal tail. I can tell you there is a lot more work involved in the fuselage than all the other parts combined (wireing, fuel lines, control cables, rods, linkage, panel, seats) it seams like it never stops but you sure do get a lot out of it. I know that when I get to the wings that will go by much quicker.  Well back to building.

    Paul

  • Jim Belcher

    I find some of the construction techniques used in the Zenith a little unusual for aircraft. Not wrong or bad, just different. That creates a bit of a learning curve. Thus, I'd lean towards building the simplest things first, and progressing towards the more complex.

     

    I'd say the fuselage is the most complex, followed by the wings, the elevator, then the rudder. Thus, I'd build them in the reverse of that order, unless you are totally comfortable with aircraft and sheet metal work. That is, start with the rudder, then the elevator, then the wings, then the fuselage. Mind you, the world won't end if they're built in some other sequence, but it may be easier to learn in that order.

     

    That's my 25 cents worth, reminding everyone as always that 25 cents won't but what it once did.

  • Thomas Richardson

    Paul,

    I built the wings first due to space in the garage. you still need the 12 x4 table on which you build the wings and with a fuselage in there, it really cuts down on your space. I was then  able to store the wings in the house in an unused bedroom and use the table to build and square the fuselage. That is what worked for me anyway.  Tom

  • Paul Sanders

    Great comments, folks, really enjoying the discussion. I like the reason about taking a long time to build being a pro for the fuselage, I had not thought of that but I just don't think I have the space to store the pieces as I work on them in the garage. And in the summer time it will be in the 110s in my garage so I am likely taking the summer off anyway, so maybe I get the wings done before it gets too hot and look at the fuselage come winter.
  • Ken Podaima

    Wings first as they are easier and also easier to store if space is a problem. Also a good idea to leave the skins drilled and clecoed to the rear spar at #40 drill size between the small root rib and the first full size rib. Finish riviting when the wings are mounted to fuselage.
  • Phillip Owens

    I would suggest building the wings first, reason; The distance between the front spar and the rear spar will determine the exact distance you must have when mating the fuselage front and rear sections. since the mounting point of the front spar is welded to the cabin frame it is specific, the location of the aft spar is attached to the aft section of the fuselage and leaves you a very small opportunity for tweaking. If this distance is not exact.....well the wings will not fit! Nuff said. 
  • Jerry Griego

    build the fuse. you will get really excited when you attach the front fuse to the rear fuse and it starts to look like an airplane, besides when your done with the fuse you can sit inside it close your eyes -- you get the  idea-- try that with hanging wings. keep punching before you know it you'll be done. I have about 10 hours to go and I';ll have my fuse done.(my wings are done which is cool, more excited about the fuse.
  • Luzius Thoeny

     I built the fueslage first for the same reason like some others  (storage) . The wing mounts have to be right on or you might hav trouble bolting it together.I built myselfe a jig of the fuselage and then transfered it to the wing wich workes well. o by the way I am doing a  701 but  this should work  on  other models too.
  • Don Herbel

    Paul:  I started building a CH801 in 2002 in my double car garage and intended on doing the fuselage last.  Like you, I felt I could store the completed wings suspended from the ceiling.  My wife was still able to park her car in the bay opposite my assembly table, but would have to move it outside when I got the fuselage off the table.  Your garage should be tall enough to complete the fuselage work on the assembly table until you get it on its landing gear and attach the rudder.  I am now building a CH701 in a large aircraft hangar and decided to build my fuselage first.  Be aware that the dimensions between the fuselage front and back wing attachment points are greater than the dimensions given on the drawings for the wings.  I had to have ZAC build me a rear channel that had a 30mm flange because the root wing bay could not be built square it order for the wing to fit the fuselage and my rivet pattern for the top skin would otherwise run too close to the edge of the channel flange.  If you want to add nav lights later on, be sure to run the wiring inside the wings before you close them up.  I added two  CH750 access openings in my wing roots and wing tips to be able to reach the wiring connections if needed.