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Permalink Reply by david shrader on October 30, 2013 at 7:01pm

I was there and enjoyed it very much, different things came out of the chat that I didn't consider subject matter for the forum (small details) but I found very interesting in the chat room. I also liked the interaction with my fellow builders, and hope more will show up next tues it was informative and entertaining.

Dave

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Permalink Reply by Efe Cem Elci on November 12, 2013 at 10:28am

Chat once again tonight. Would love to see everyone there.

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Permalink Reply by Efe Cem Elci on November 12, 2013 at 9:51pm

Hi everyone,

Here is the chat discussion from today's builders chat for those of you who missed the event. Hopefully we can have more participation in the coming weeks.

PART 1:

• Dan Dempsey

  checking in

• 7:21 PM
• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Hey Dan

• 8:42 PM
• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Making the trip to the rudder workshop at Zenith early tomorrow morning

• 8:46 PM
• Dan Dempsey

  Efe, still there?

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  yep just got here

• Dan Dempsey

  Going to Mexico Mo?

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  yeah leave tomorrow morning

• bit of a flight but its worth it

• Dan Dempsey

  Exciting first step

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Yeah just picked up the binder from another local builder who's working on a 750

• forgot it there when I was last over working on his plane

• Dan Dempsey

  Will you be building in a hanger?

• Efe Cem Elci

  Doesnt look like it currently

• Dan Dempsey

  I built mine in my living room

• Now that I'm at the airport I see the advantage of having a community around you

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  working on forming an EAA chapter locally. so I'm hoping we can have a common work area where everyone can work on their own project

• Dan Dempsey

  good idea

• share the costs

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  and more experience, let the guys who have seen it and done it help out those just starting

• Dan Dempsey

  very valuable

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  and perhaps people who might not be able to get their own plane financially get to collaborate on a club/joint plane

• Dan Dempsey

  I've piddled around and lost the warm weather.. now I have to work in the cold

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  any heating at the airport? :D

• Dan Dempsey

  I could warm it up some, but it's a big mettle building

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  ouch

• I'd say dress warm but either way the hands and feet will feel it

• Dan Dempsey

  I need a little good weather to get this job completed

• 8:56 PM
• Efe Cem Elci
  

  we got the first snow over here but its much warmer back home. wont start building till at least january anyway. spring is more realistic though

• 8:57 PM
• Gary Motley

  Hi guys, just noticed the talk about the cold. Hate to rub it in but I just finalized the natural gas heater to my garage. I received my Cruzer tail kit this past weekend and am I drilling holes!

• Dan Dempsey

  Good to hear Gary

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  been "interning" at a local builder, his 5th kit plane! great experience, and you really learn a lot from a guy like that

• Dan Dempsey

  I've been spoiled.. built the plane in my house

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Hey Gary, that's great to hear.

• Dan Dempsey

  Where are you Gary?

• Gary Motley

  This is my second project but hope to build more. I'm in the Denver area.

• Dan Dempsey

  Go Broncos

• Gary Motley

  Sorry, not much of a sports fan. Too busy flying and building!

• Dan Dempsey

  Same here Gary.. I listen to Nascar.. and hardly ever watch a ball game

• Patrick Hoyt

  Hi Guys

• Dan Dempsey

  Patrick.. hello

• I've been speaking with my DAR today

• He was answering some of my questions about how to fill out the paperwork

• Patrick Hoyt

  You must be very close now...

• Dan Dempsey

  Patrick did you do the fuel flow test at climb attitude?

• 9:04 PM
• Patrick Hoyt

  Yes. I think I still have a video of that someplace.

• Dan Dempsey

  How'd you get the plane angled up?

• 9:05 PM
• Dan Dempsey

  I want to do a WOT test at the same time

• Patrick Hoyt

  Put nosewheel on ramp. Didnt have wings on at the time. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uAW2_E7RpAI

• Dan Dempsey

  Last couple of weekends have been a bit too windy

• 9:07 PM
• Dan Dempsey

  I was going to pull the nose wheel up onto my trailer

• Mark LaPierre

  Hey Dan, what are you building?

• Dan Dempsey

  CH601XL

• Patrick Hoyt

  I still havent figured out effective heat. 16 degrees F today here.

• Mark LaPierre

  What engine are you using Dan?

• Dan Dempsey

  You have a heater and it's not working?

• Mark.. Corvair conversion

• 9:10 PM
• Dan Dempsey

  Mark how far along are you?

• I'm also a plans builder

• Mark LaPierre

  I've barely started

• Patrick Hoyt

  Exhaust muff heater. Gets a few seconds of lukewarm, then cold air....

• Mark LaPierre

  I have 15 parts built from scratch sitting in a box

• 9:12 PM
• Mark LaPierre

  I'm working on the pay as you go plan and I'm finanially embarrased at the moment

• not to mention a Mustang sitting in the middle of my garage waiting for me to bolt it's heads back on

• Dan Dempsey

  Mark.. I've got other hobbies too that have been dormant

• including several old classic cars

• Mark LaPierre

  I just bought a new belt/disk sander to help make forming templates

• Patrick Hoyt

  90 hours on the Hobbs. Kinda itching to build again.

• Dan Dempsey

  Patrick.. hows the corvair doing

• Patrick Hoyt

  Running very well. I actually bought 2 more cores the other day.

• Dan Dempsey

  I've 2 others as well. THought I'd build an spare engine once I'm flying

• 9:18 PM
• Patrick Hoyt

  One spare, the other one for your next project!

• Dan Dempsey

  hehe

• 9:19 PM
• Mark LaPierre

  What are you flying Patrick?

• Patrick Hoyt

  N63PZ - XL w/650 canopy, Corvair.

• Mark LaPierre

  What do you have for avionics?

• 9:22 PM
• Patrick Hoyt

  Dynon D6. Mechanical gauges, iPad and charts for nav. Flew to Oshkosh this year.

• Dan Dempsey

  Mark, I also work for NG

• Mark, where are you at?

• Mark LaPierre

  Oh cool! I'm going to Oshkosh some day.

• Patrick Hoyt

  Flew to Zenith in MO a couple months ago.

• Mark LaPierre

  Newport News, VA

• Dan Dempsey

  Fly down to VA Patrick, I'll let you use my couch!

• Mark.. I'm in VA too.. Charlottesville

• Mark LaPierre

  Not far away

• Patrick Hoyt

  Time to Spare - Go by Air. I understand that now!

• Dan Dempsey

  I've got all sorts of form blocks and some jigs I used. I could loan them to you

• Yeah.. I never have thought of my flying as transportation

• Mark LaPierre

  Thanks for the kind offer. I'll give it serious consideration.

• Patrick Hoyt

  The journey becomes the adventure. It's great.

• 9:28 PM
• Dan Dempsey

  Patrick.. what airpressure do you use in you tires?

• Mark LaPierre

  Hey Dan, do you know of anyone offering sport pilot flight training in the area?

• Dan Dempsey

  Mark, I went to Tennessee and flew with Buzz Air for training

• Patrick you did the same true?

• Mark LaPierre

  I think I may have to go to a dedicated couple of weeks long program somewhere

• Patrick Hoyt

  I did transition training with Buzz, too.

• Dan Dempsey

  I spent a week.. must have hundreds of touch and goes

• Patrick Hoyt

  About 50 psi in the tires.

• Mark LaPierre

  How did you arrive at the 50 PSI setting?

• Patrick Hoyt

  I think thats Zeniths spec.

• Dan Dempsey

  I was asking because I have mine set at 35 now, and it seams low

• 9:35 PM
• Todd Loomis

  Hello all

• Dan Dempsey

  Hello Todd

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Hey Todd

• Patrick Hoyt

  Hi Todd

• Dan Dempsey

  Todd, what r u building

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Welcome to the chat

• Todd Loomis

  New to this chat room I am building a 701

• all the sheet metal is done now I am putting it all together

• Dan Dempsey

  Todd, what engine

• Mark LaPierre

  Where are you located Todd

• Todd Loomis

  1 more year

• a 912

• billings mt

• do you all know of a place where I can get some 701 training

• Dan Dempsey

  Yes.. YOu should contact Buzz Air

• Todd Loomis

  thankyou

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  We were just talking about that :)

• Dan Dempsey

  http://daniel.dempseyfamily.us/zodiac/fly/buzzair.htm

• They have a 701, I think in Reno Nevada

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Permalink Reply by Efe Cem Elci on November 12, 2013 at 9:51pm

PART 2:

• Todd Loomis

  what do you all have

• Dan Dempsey

  I did 601 training with them in Tennessee

• I have a nearly finished 601 XL

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  I'm planning on starting on a 650

• Todd Loomis

  cool

• i made mine from scratch big mistake

• 9:45 PM
• Dan Dempsey

  Todd.. same here

• Todd Loomis

  wish I had just bought the kit

• Dan Dempsey

  We've got a bunch of plans builders here tonight!

• Todd Loomis

  tried to save money

• Dan Dempsey

  I'm 8 years into mine

• Mark LaPierre

  Why do you think it was a mistake to scratch build Todd?

• Gary Motley

  I'm back. Doesn't look like many guys are chiming in. It may be hard to run a chat with so many different interests in the zenith line. What do you think?

• Patrick Hoyt

  Grass is always greener. I built from component kits. Next airplane will be from scratch.

• Todd Loomis

  time is twice as maybe three times as long

• Dan Dempsey

  Maybe Gary.. but if it takes off we could split it up some

• Todd Loomis

  but at least you have something to fly

• Gary Motley

  how many weeks have you guys been at this?

• Dan Dempsey

  Gary, this is just the second week after Sebastian helped announce it

• Todd Loomis

  great experience

• Dan Dempsey

  I tried a couple of weeks before that on Monday's but it was bust

• Mark LaPierre

  I guess we've been here for the last three weeks

• Okay two weeks

• Patrick Hoyt

  Its nice to interact with other builders in real-time.

• Todd Loomis

  first week for me I like it

• Dan Dempsey

  We had a pretty active chat several years ago..

• Todd Loomis

  any 701 builders on.

• Gary Motley

  well, I certainly hope the spirit picks up. I'm a Sonex flyer and I have to say their sites are really active. When I look at this builders site it appears very helter skelter to me.

• Patrick Hoyt

  Few years ago there was a good chat. Was great.

• Mark LaPierre

  I considered joining up with my local EAA Chapter but I didn't see the benefit it would bring me

• Patrick Hoyt

  depends on the chapter. We have a good one here (25).

• Dan Dempsey

  I went to an EAA meeting near me a few years ago, but there wasn't a single builder in the group.

• Todd Loomis

  WE HAVE A GOOD ONE IN BILLINGS

• Dan Dempsey

  It was just a flying club

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  I attended my first chapter meeting with a local chapter here

• Mark LaPierre

  I went to a couple of get togethers to find out what they were up to

• Dan Dempsey

  At the Airport I have my plane at there's no EAA chapter, but a very active builders group

• Mark LaPierre

  didn't seem to be much more than hanger flying

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  apparently a chapter in FL gathered funds and got space at a local airport and made their own hangar

• so we are considering doing that

• Dan Dempsey

  Efe.. I think that's a great idea

• Patrick Hoyt

  We have a chapter hanger. Guys in phase 1 use it.

• Dan Dempsey

  I'm jealous of you guys with active EAA chapters

• Todd Loomis

  what is phase one

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Yeah and apparently the airport gave them 25 tie downs and let them keep profits from those

• Dan Dempsey

  There are some good ones in VA, but not near enough to be practical for me

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  so they are actually supporting the hangar and the costs out of that

• Dan you could always start one if there is enough interest

• Todd Loomis

  ok got to go see you all next week

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  I've started working towards forming a chapter back home now. Talked with EAA and got the ball rolling

• Mark LaPierre

  Phase 1 is the primary flight testing that any homebuilt must go through before it is approved to carry passengers and fly outside the test area

• Dan Dempsey

  Efe. I might bring it up, but I'm the new guy

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Take care Todd see you

• If you know any other builders Todd let them know as well

• Mark LaPierre

  Generally that is a minimum of 40 hours to complete a thourough flight testing of the aircraft flight envelope

• 9:56 PM
• Dan Dempsey

  Patrick.. what did you do for a flight test plan?

• Spencer Rice

  Hello everyone! I'm a little late...

• Dan Dempsey

  Hello Spencer

• Mark LaPierre

  hey Spencer

• Dan Dempsey

  Spencer.. make any parts this week?

• Patrick Hoyt

  I set a goal for each flight. And if anything was amiss, I'd fix it prior to the next test.

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Hi Spencer

• Dan Dempsey

  I saw the pcks you posted of flanging dies

• Patick.. Did it have to be written down to present to your DAR?

• 9:59 PM
• Patrick Hoyt

  No, the DAR was more for the paperwork for registration, etc.

• he did look over the plane...

• Spencer Rice

  Yes! Not sure how many of you have heard of Larry McFarland. He plans built a Zodiac HDS a few years back and made a huge journal on his experiences. Anyway he has been a great contact for me and has helped me out a lot. I purchased his alumium flanging dies he made on a lathe.

• Mark LaPierre

  The DAR's requirements vary depending on his/her preferences.

• Dan Dempsey

  Spencer, I made my flanging dies out of wood

• they worked great

• Patrick Hoyt

  Gotta run - nice talking to you guys.

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Likewise Patrick. See you next Tuesday if you can make it

• Dan Dempsey

  http://daniel.dempseyfamily.us/zodiac/wings/skeleton/flangingdie.htm

• nice chatting patrick

• Patrick Hoyt

  <...poof...>. LOL

• Mark LaPierre

  I've got it set up as a repeatiig appointment on my calendar

• See Y'all next week!

• Dan Dempsey

  cya mark

• 10:04 PM
• Dan Dempsey

  OK guys I'm logging off

• hope to chat again next week..

• Spencer Rice

  See ya Dan!

• Dan Dempsey

  Sorry to leave so soon after you got here SPencer.. but I've got to get some rest

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  See you Dan

• Spencer Rice

  No problem! Just thought I would drop in a see what everyone was chatting about!

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  I'm going to try to get the log up on the builder chat thread so people who werent here can see what is shared and may be thus motivated to join in

• 10:07 PM
• Spencer Rice

  That's an idea! Also we could try and think of a topic each week?

• 10:08 PM
• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Yeah that could be good as well.

• Spencer Rice

  Well I should probably go work on the plane. Maybe talk again next!

• 10:10 PM
• Efe Cem Elci
  

  I have an early morning flight to Kansas City via Charlotte to attend the Zenith rudder workshop

• So have to wake up at 4:30am

• Probably will call it a night in about 15

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Permalink Reply by Efe Cem Elci on November 12, 2013 at 10:24pm

PART 3:

• 10:13 PM
• Todd Loomis

  Ok I am back

• Efe Cem Elci
  

  WB Todd

• Todd Loomis

  efe what plane do u have

• 10:44 PM
• Efe Cem Elci
  

  Haven't started yet but I'm thinking of doing a 650

• Will be at the Zenith workshop Thu and Fri

• Todd Loomis

  Cool have you gone to the zenith open hanger days yet

• Efe Cem Elci

  Hope to get a chance to fly it and make the final decision

• Not yet. Currently in the US but live in Turkey so its a bit of a flight over for anything :D

• Todd Loomis

  ok I really enjoyed it hope you can go befor you go back to turkey

• have you done any other projects

• Patrick Borton

  Oops...I'm late :)

• Todd Loomis

  hi patrick

• Patrick Borton

  howdy

• Todd Loomis

  what plane do you have

• Patrick Borton

  750/UL350iS

• you?

• Todd Loomis

  Cool I am building a 701

• Patrick Borton

  i wouldn't mind doing a 701 next...

• Todd Loomis

  i started it just before they came out with the 750

• is it flying

• Patrick Borton

  it is. About 65 hours so far

• Todd Loomis

  wonderful I am looking forward to the day mine is too

• Patrick Borton

  keepfar keep cranking away...you'll get there!

• Todd Loomis

  i am just stating the put all components together stage

• Patrick Borton

  plans building?

• Todd Loomis

  i made mine from scratch

• Patrick Borton

  sweet.

• Todd Loomis

  lots of time

• Efe Cem Elci

  Todd I'm "assisting" a local 750 builder but I'm learning a lot from him. First kit plane project for me.

• Todd Loomis

  wish I had just bought the kit

• Patrick Borton

  I can't imagine the time commitment compared to a kit

• Efe Cem Elci

  I thought of doing the plans but when I actually saw the kit I realized how gigantic a task that would have been

• Patrick Borton

  750 from a kit is a really fast build...until you get into fuel and wiring. That's when you hit a wall and things slow down

• Todd Loomis

  i am making it in the garage kind of fun to go out and pound out ribs etc my favorite was the spar

• 10:56 PM
• Todd Loomis

  i bought the fuselage in kit form but every thing else is scratch

• Patrick Borton

  the spar seems like it would be an intimidating part on a scratch build

• Todd Loomis

  opps sory I made the rudder at an open house

• 10:58 PM
• Todd Loomis

  not really I picked Marks brain and it went together well

• mark the guy from canzax

• Efe Cem Elci

  Patrick thats the part that intimidates me as well. Wiring, fuel, avionics, etc.

• Patrick Borton

  I guess with the fine support group here, most questions are answered!

• Todd Loomis

  yep me too

• Patrick Borton

  i loved the wiring/avionics!

• Todd Loomis

  good

• just another project hardest part is getting started

• the hardest part was finding the lighting hole flange dies

• Patrick Borton

  planning it all out was harder than starting for me...

• Todd Loomis

  did you go with steam gauges or glass

• Patrick Borton

  glass

• Todd Loomis

  ok

• if you had a do over what would it be

• Patrick Borton

  the same. I really like the Skyview.

• 11:05 PM
• Patrick Borton

  I only had about 15 hours behind glass prior to the Skyview. I don't feel like my eyes are inside too much like I do with a G1000

• 11:06 PM
• Todd Loomis

  I really haven't researched that much I am now just getting ready to buy engine cowling prop etc...

• Patrick Borton

  which engine are you using?

• Todd Loomis

  I am planning on a 912 uls

• I hear good things about them other than the price

• Patrick Borton

  how do they compare to the UL Power 260 engines price-wise?

• Todd Loomis

  i plan on buying the firewall forward kit from zenith I am tired of always reinventing the wheel and their stuff goes together so well

• Patrick Borton

  gotcha. The 912 is tried and true in the 701...

• Todd Loomis

  i do not know I am sure. The 260 is less but I already bought the 500 dollar engine mount

• 11:11 PM
• Todd Loomis

  i build an avid flyer it had a rotax 582 it seemed to work ok

• 11:12 PM
• Patrick Borton

  I don't have much experience with rotax. I like the performance, but sont care for the gear reduction personally.

• Todd Loomis

  the 912 is much more refined as compared to the 582

• where are you from

• Patrick Borton

  Thats what I hear.

• Im in Fort Wayne indiana

• Todd Loomis

  ok billing mt for me

• billings. Oops

• how do you like the way the 750 flys

• Patrick Borton

  I bet you have a lot more cool remote landing areas there than we do here!

• 11:17 PM
• Todd Loomis

  as a kid I used to shoot coyotes from a super cub we would land skin them and off we go I guess that is why I love stol

• Patrick Borton

  im enjoying the 750. The guy I built it with has a cirrus and wanted something that was more fun for taking the kids up. Something you can sight see in. The cirrus isn't much fun going 200mph at 1800 feet

• 11:19 PM
• Patrick Borton

  I did all of phase 1 testing and still fly it pretty much whenever I want.

• Todd Loomis

  That's what I am dreaming f

• Patrick Borton

  Everyone who has gone for a flight in it LOVES the visibility

• Efe Cem Elci

  Guys I gotta run. Gotta get up in 5 hours to go to the airport.

• Todd Loomis

  before I start phase 1 I want to get some real good training

• good night efe

• Patrick Borton

  good night

• Efe Cem Elci

  See you next chat!

• Todd Loomis

  get started u won't regret it

• Patrick Borton

  I didn't do any transition training because most of my experience was very recent and in a cessna 152

• i knew it was a different animal as far as handling, but used 152 V-speeds on the first flight

• Todd Loomis

  Gotcha I haven't flown in years all my spare time and money has been tied up in the build

• Patrick Borton

  i sent my wife away for a good portion of the build ;)

• Todd Loomis

  haha lucky you

• Patrick Borton

  no kidding. I'm trying to figure out how to do it again!

• 11:27 PM
• Todd Loomis

  let me know how that goes. No my wife has been a real sport. She hasn't been able to park the car in the garage in years

• what do you do for a living

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Permalink Reply by Christopher Braun on November 14, 2013 at 9:30am

Why don't you guys use a free thing like Skype or some other verbal chat system, so people can talk with their computer mics. Then you can have a nice q and a session, and get people a little more interested bc they could quickly ask questions about problems and exchange ideas. Just a thought. :)

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Permalink Reply by Christopher Braun on November 14, 2013 at 9:33am

Or almost every laptop has a webcam, you could use a free video chat system or website. At any rate, it might boost participation.

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