Thanks for the encouragement, especial since I haven't found anyone locally (within 100 miles) for the transition. One follow aviator in Canada might be a possibility in the fall, if I don't jump out of the nest before than.
I don't like the thought of bending something that my heart has gone into, so I would like to get maybe 1-2 hours in a 701 just so there are no surprises.
Hello Nelson, about the A4 and A5 rivets. there is a dash and number like AD4-5, or AD4-6. the dash 5 or 6 means (5 * 1/16) 5/16 or (6 * 1/16) 3/8.. Same for the AD5's just add a 1/16 of a inch for each increase.
Hi Nelson, regarding your question about the performing of my 701 with Rotax 582, I can say that it flies quite well, but some more power would be welcome and less consumption also! Unfortunately, the 582 "drinks" a lot, about 25 liters/hour for take-off and climb, and 15-20 lt/hr for level flight. The great advantage of a 2-stroke engine is its light weight and - at least here in Brazil - the payable price.
Welcome into the group. You asked why build a CH701 if I already co-own a PA-28 160 Cherokee ?? Quite a few reasons not in any particular order :
1) I started building the CH701 before my partners and I bought the Cherokee and
I tought that I could fly something and take my time building while flying
2) I liked the CH701, easy to maintain, easy to fly, easy to construct, cheap to fix
3) my wife wants to take her lessons (shes flies the Cherokee pretty good with supervision) but can't do it on the Cherokke - she isn't a co-owner
4) She and I will own the CH701....so she'll take her flying lessons on it
5) I kept my share on the PA-28 because I just LOVE this plane, fast, reliable, lots of room for luggage and I just pay 1/4 of all costs (4 co-owners). A bargain !
6) Each plane has a very different purpose : ch701 for rooming around and the PA-28 for fast cross country.
By the way Nelson, this is the link to the story about my Marine nephew that was shot up. My son is the tall one on the left in the rear. He did 2 combat tours in Iraq with the 82nd during the surge.
Thanks Nelson! Semper Fi back to you as well. My nephew is also a Marine and we were both here together lasst June/July yet he was shot up pretty bad on his last patrol before going home. I spent 12 hours with him before he was shipped to Germany, kind of sad but the Marines make you guys pretty tough and he pulled through after about 4 surgeries.
I ordered my big sheet metal order from Yard Metal out of Conn. I saved about $500.00 fro everywhere else. I had problems with UPS freight, but it worked out in the end. Not sure what the prices look like now.
These are better quality than what comes with the tool. I used the one with the tool and it damaged the surfaces easy. The one from aircraft spruce worked great. It fits the heads better.
I practiced on about 50 holes. I set up the same thickness for practice.
The jig set the spar height. I drilled the lower spar cap and clecoed. Then I measured the spaceing for the spar and drilled the the upper spar cap at one end. Made a jig of that spacing. The moved down the spar and drilled the caps between the jig. The next spar will be the same as the first. I pre drilled my spar caps.
Plan on buying additional material as you will make mistakes, in the case of .016 they are very easy to wrinkle. Out of .025 is where a lot of critical parts come from so consider bying an adittional one in case you are not happy or the part does not meet spec's. The R503 is my second choice if the snomo conversion does not goes well, but the 582 is very good.
Welcome to the "minority" as nobody fly's two stroke engines in the Zenairs anymore. I am building to the specs of the original 880lb empty and have the original landing gear that bought used from another builder. I live in a small Isalnd and I am not going very far, so to me it's ok the little engine and I know it's going to perform as papa Chris desingned .
Nelson,
Welcome and good luck with your project. Regarding hanging parts on the wall, be careful if the wind blows through like in my garage / basement moving the pieces they will scratch easily.
If you ever get the chance to visit the Zenith factory please take the time to stop by our builder assist facility too. We like to have visitors here and we are right here in Mexico, Mo. just a couple of miles from them.
Take care and good luck,
Bill Carter
American Light Sport Aircrafters Builder Assist & Assembly Center
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Thanks for the encouragement, especial since I haven't found anyone locally (within 100 miles) for the transition. One follow aviator in Canada might be a possibility in the fall, if I don't jump out of the nest before than.
Tom
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Thanks for the endorsement.
I don't like the thought of bending something that my heart has gone into, so I would like to get maybe 1-2 hours in a 701 just so there are no surprises.
TOM
Hello Nelson, about the A4 and A5 rivets. there is a dash and number like AD4-5, or AD4-6. the dash 5 or 6 means (5 * 1/16) 5/16 or (6 * 1/16) 3/8.. Same for the AD5's just add a 1/16 of a inch for each increase.
Hi Nelson, regarding your question about the performing of my 701 with Rotax 582, I can say that it flies quite well, but some more power would be welcome and less consumption also! Unfortunately, the 582 "drinks" a lot, about 25 liters/hour for take-off and climb, and 15-20 lt/hr for level flight. The great advantage of a 2-stroke engine is its light weight and - at least here in Brazil - the payable price.
Regards, Sergio
Hi Nelson,
Welcome into the group. You asked why build a CH701 if I already co-own a PA-28 160 Cherokee ?? Quite a few reasons not in any particular order :
1) I started building the CH701 before my partners and I bought the Cherokee and
I tought that I could fly something and take my time building while flying
2) I liked the CH701, easy to maintain, easy to fly, easy to construct, cheap to fix
3) my wife wants to take her lessons (shes flies the Cherokee pretty good with supervision) but can't do it on the Cherokke - she isn't a co-owner
4) She and I will own the CH701....so she'll take her flying lessons on it
5) I kept my share on the PA-28 because I just LOVE this plane, fast, reliable, lots of room for luggage and I just pay 1/4 of all costs (4 co-owners). A bargain !
6) Each plane has a very different purpose : ch701 for rooming around and the PA-28 for fast cross country.
That's the story.
Good luck with your building !
Normand Lambert
C-GFEU
By the way Nelson, this is the link to the story about my Marine nephew that was shot up. My son is the tall one on the left in the rear. He did 2 combat tours in Iraq with the 82nd during the surge.
http://ning.it/gyEXt5
Thanks Nelson! Semper Fi back to you as well. My nephew is also a Marine and we were both here together lasst June/July yet he was shot up pretty bad on his last patrol before going home. I spent 12 hours with him before he was shipped to Germany, kind of sad but the Marines make you guys pretty tough and he pulled through after about 4 surgeries.
I am very eager to get started!
I ordered my big sheet metal order from Yard Metal out of Conn. I saved about $500.00 fro everywhere else. I had problems with UPS freight, but it worked out in the end. Not sure what the prices look like now.
http://www.yarde.com/
Hey Nelson, here is the info I sent to another builder.
I was concerned about the solid rivets myself. Never having done any before. I bought a manual rivet squezer (way to hard) can be used for dimpling. I bought a Habor Freight rivet gun (can only be purchased online) http://www.harborfreight.com/3x-air-riveting-hammer-with-5-piece-chisel-set-97857.html .
I used the 20% off and that paid for the shipping and tax.
I also purchased the economy rivet set from Aircraft Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/topcanrivetsets.php
These are better quality than what comes with the tool. I used the one with the tool and it damaged the surfaces easy. The one from aircraft spruce worked great. It fits the heads better.
I practiced on about 50 holes. I set up the same thickness for practice.
The jig set the spar height. I drilled the lower spar cap and clecoed. Then I measured the spaceing for the spar and drilled the the upper spar cap at one end. Made a jig of that spacing. The moved down the spar and drilled the caps between the jig. The next spar will be the same as the first. I pre drilled my spar caps.
Another thing Nelson
Plan on buying additional material as you will make mistakes, in the case of .016 they are very easy to wrinkle. Out of .025 is where a lot of critical parts come from so consider bying an adittional one in case you are not happy or the part does not meet spec's. The R503 is my second choice if the snomo conversion does not goes well, but the 582 is very good.
Hey Nelson
Welcome to the "minority" as nobody fly's two stroke engines in the Zenairs anymore. I am building to the specs of the original 880lb empty and have the original landing gear that bought used from another builder. I live in a small Isalnd and I am not going very far, so to me it's ok the little engine and I know it's going to perform as papa Chris desingned .
Saludos
Pedro
Hi Nelson, I do not have a list for the 701 but Zenith does. they do not have a list for the 750.
http://www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/701-material-list.pdf
Good Luck with your build
Paul
Welcome and good luck with your project. Regarding hanging parts on the wall, be careful if the wind blows through like in my garage / basement moving the pieces they will scratch easily.
Welcome to the family.
I wish you the all the best with your project.
If you ever get the chance to visit the Zenith factory please take the time to stop by our builder assist facility too. We like to have visitors here and we are right here in Mexico, Mo. just a couple of miles from them.
Take care and good luck,
Bill Carter
American Light Sport Aircrafters Builder Assist & Assembly Center
www.LightSportAircrafters.com
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